For your next blog response, finish reading Michael Moore's "Idiot Nation." Then answer either #1, #3, or #4 on p. 149.
Due: Before our next class meeting
Length: One to two well-developed paragraphs
Wednesday, February 3, 2010
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#3. Moore's description of American schools is fairly accurate. I do agree with many of his assesments because I've attended schools where they try cramming 30+ students in small classrooms, in which many it felt like I time-traveled back to the 70's because everything in there was so outdated. The quality of libraries and their books wasn't so great either, but who can blame them? The only times that I and many of other hundreds of students ever walked in there was because we kinda had to to work on research projects.
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ReplyDeleteMoore’s description of how poor and inadequate American Schools are is very accurate. I agree with his portrayal of a typical American classroom to an extent. I have been to one elementary school, one middle school, three high schools and one college so far in my life. It’s sad how poor the conditions are at most of the schools I’ve attended. Books were held together with tape, desks and chairs were chipped and it was a deathly risk to even sit in some of the chairs. I think that high schools are slightly getting more attention though. Two of the high schools that I’ve attended started rebuilding gyms and getting new computer labs. One high school, which was located in a poorer area, had a lot of disadvantages. The libraries I saw were pathetic. You could smell the mold growing off the outdated books. The one thing that I disagree with is the quality of teachers and staff at schools. There are a lot of dedicated teachers out there, in which I have encountered. It’s not their fault that the government doesn’t want to give them enough money to teach effectively. We shouldn’t blame their teaching qualities on our government’s stupidity.
Question #3
ReplyDeleteI believe that Michael Moore’s grim picture of American schools that he offers in this section is pretty much on point. I remember when I was in elementary school I had a teacher that left mid way through the year. Her replacement was a lady that was already working at the school, but her job title was not a teacher or a substitute for that matter… When she took over the class it did not really seem like she new what she was doing as a “teacher”. It was for a math class and some of the sections in the chapters she did not even really know how to do them her self. It’s pretty sad now that I look back on it. As far as the library thing goes, no one really went into the school library because everything was so old. Eventually that little library room became a “computer lab room” (which I do not know if that was sponsored like Moore mentions) that was over crowded with to many chairs and computers for the room size. With all that being said and having experienced some of these issues first hand, I have to agree with Moore and his opinion on American schools.
#4. Moore blames the sorry state of America's schools on the political leaders of the U.S. I do agree with Moore, since the politcal leaders decide how much of the state budget will go towards education. If the education budget gets reduced then the whole schooling system suffers. This means less money for books, less money to fix classrooms, and less classes making it harder for students to get into the ones that survived the budget cut. I think the federal government should give the states some sort of federal aid that will go towards education.
ReplyDelete#4.Michael Moore basically blamed the state of America's education on the goverment. He even goes back way to the time of Nixon to prove this. HOwever he does not forget the media pundits and commentator on TVs that are brave enough to blame and criticize our education system where they do not know much themselves. Moore's point of view to my opinion is largely correct and accurate. I agree to him that teachers are absolutely not to blame. However I feel Moore's opinions are sometimes bias. It is apparent that he had bad experience in the American education system therefore he is extre,ely skeptic towards the goverment and especially America's education system.
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ReplyDeleteMoore's description of schools are very accurate. Text books in the elementary school systems are not updated quite as often as college texts . And considering that Pluto(apparently) is no longer a planet I can only imagine the other facts-turned fallacies they may encounter by the time they are my age. Reading this article was enjoyable because of the fact that it is (sadly) resoundingly familiar to the times when I was attending K-12.Also, I have had some very wonderful teachers who had a passion for what they did and in turn I learned the most from them. But I have also been unfortunate to encounter some teacher's in the past that I failed to grasp some of the concepts they were trying to communicate. Seemingly because their lack of pride for their job which in turn became apathy. Also the capacity of classrooms should be capped and not expanded. It is becoming difficult for children to learn based on the fact that the teacher to student ratio is very imbalanced.
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ReplyDeleteMoore is more than certain the US Government is responsible for America's school system. I most definitely agree with him. I enjoyed reading this excerpt because I could relate to it as a student and someone who cares about getting the right education. I myself have definitely noticed a declination of intelligence and literacy amongst some classmates of mine in high school. Moore would probably like to see the US Government spend their money wisely on our education systems seeing he described our school scene pretty accurately. Moore mentioned the Government cut back on school spendings, in my high school years we really had only one janitor clean our classrooms and mop the gym floors, once a week. Our teachers were being cut back for money's sake, all the while the taxpayers dollars are being used to build weapons for war. Better yet, I'm sure Moore would like a whole new panel of members of the Government I, too, would kick some people off the panel as well since they haven't made wise decisions and I'm not saying that being president is easy or any member of the Government for that matter, but when the same mistake is made twice, shame on you. Moore is determined to get his ideas out but at the same time he sounds too confident in feeling he is superior and possibly someone who wouldn't make a mistake if he ran the things. His statements make a point though.
question #3
ReplyDeleteI think Moore's description of the way schools are today is accurate depending on where you grew up and what schools you went to. I grew up in a small town and our schools were the only ones for miles, so even though it was crowded they were well ran schools with great teachers. But, when i hear about the where some of my friends grew up and the schools they went to it sounds a lot like what Moore is talking about in this article.
#1 There were couple indications that Michael Moore presented that backed up his point that Americans were filled with idiots. One evidence that was shown, was when he said that "forty-four million Americans could not read at a fourth-grade level''. That doesn't necessarily consider them idiots, but they were "functional illiterates", and he probably implied that they were idiots. Also, another example that Moore brings up is when 556 seniors at prestigious universities were given a test at a high school level, and the top students received a grade of 53 percent.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with Moore's take on why he thinks Americans intelligence to be low. People can be smart in other ways, such as knowing a skill that others do not know, which others may consider to be skillful and intelligent. Just because they don't know about politics and books such as The Iliad and The Odyssey doesn't mean that Americans are morons. Moore's theory of testing the political leaders with the question/answer method sounds like a good idea. If it was a political leader that was living in the state that I was in, I would want him to know the answers to those questions.
#2
ReplyDeleteAlthough Moore's depiction of the state of highschools and public education in general may seem extreme, the sad truth is that schools are becoming ever more dilapidated and the availability of resources more scarce as budget cut after budget cut is imposed upon the school districts. From my memory of high school, I can remember that despite my school being a nice place to be, there were many inconveniences that frustrated me due to the government's naive ignorance towards the state of schools. It began with things such as a cut in the number of textbooks to firing janitors to raising lunch prices to even cutting of printers in the library. These small changes began to add up, seriously hurting the way many students were viewing education. And although Moore may seem extreme, I completely agree with him in that school is no longer a place for equal availability of education, but a bureaucracy of politicians sucking money from schools they believe should be spent advertising for something else.
#3
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article, I would think that Moore's description is very accurate. Back in time when I was in highschool, I thought that my school would have the best education in my city. I have later realized how bad our education system worked out. Laying off old teachers and bringing in new teachers, cost of book damages, cost of food, and having to pay five cents for printing has changed the way students see education. It just doesn't make any sense. Experiencing these issues in my life, I've got to say that I agree with Moore's view.
#3
ReplyDeleteI think he really captured the poor conditions American schools sadly are in reality. Of course not ALL schools fall under these categories, but they definitely out-number! I can agree with Moore that typical American classrooms lack the most important learning tools needed to help expand and create standard learning environments for our students. As he mentioned, i can recall in high school using textbooks dating back almost thirty years ago! Its not surprising to me that this is going on. Its no wonder America is so idiotic. :l
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ReplyDeleteI agree that the education quality in the USA is not up to level with the rest of the world and Michael Moore’s “Idiot Nation” tries to expose the underlying reasons and those responsible for the bad state of schools. According to him, politician especially government leaders like Nixon and Bush are to blame for setting priorities on other things and drawing funds away from the schools thus libraries are not stocked nor updated with current literature negatively impacting schools. The lack of teachers and principals (as is the case in Chicago and New York city) would certainly affect performance of the schools. Where there are teachers they are unappreciated and not well paid considering the work they undertake to educate student and this does not improve education and retention of teachers.
Also the school administrators are to blame too since they focus too much on being strict with students making them only learn to answer what the states wants as opposed to focusing on how to improve and challenge students to explore beyond, perform better and be competitive with the rest of the world. what’s more, they have allowed commercialization of school program by making deals with corporation thus short changing the students.
Some of the subtle reforms he suggests are to make education a little more challenging by not limiting what is taught but to encompass more to be at par with other countries, appreciate teachers and provide better pay to make them dedicated and at the same time address teacher shortage. Priority should be given to solving problems facing school programs and more funding should be allocated to improve the schools.
He also tries to encourage students to learn about policies that affect them and possibly be in a better position to use this when they need to. After all he has proved that the school administrators and adults in the community are ignorant of them.
I dont agree with many of the point and "documentary" movies that moore makes, I think he is a moron and I would punch him in his face if I had the chance. I do however agree with this article about the state that schools are in. My elementray school was not in the best shape when I was growning up, classes being too crowded and old library being transformed into other another room such as a libary. I do agree with Moore when it comes to discussing the state our schools are in.
ReplyDeleteMore than certainly the governemtn is responsible for the America's school. I agree one hundred percent to Moore's point of view to his exact extent. Many, many schools around the United States have been suffering from tiny little things to big things, where no one takes notice of. I'm glad that Moore had took his time to confront about such a thing. I have been around and seen schools around that has no definition of what a school is what-so-ever. From desks, chairs, cafeteria food to education. As government has cut back on money and salaries from teacher, students aren't getting the education that they well deserve. America should be a country where every would wish to live in and study from. Yet, students are getting the least expected education. How are students learn in an enviroment with roof leaks, broken desks and chairs, and worse of all, with no teacher around to teach? From salaries being decended, and teachers being unemployed, more and more students get cramped up to one teacher. For example, many high school has a class up to 40-50 students. How on earth will the teachers have the time to give the students the attention, and help that the need? Moore's description and analysis proves a very strong point where disagreeing would not be an option. Government should put a little effort in attention to American't education society.
ReplyDeleteFor the sorry state of American schools, Moore clearly points his finger at US political leaders and to an extent, the people who vote for them. I agree, but not necessarily in terms how much of what he believes to be relevant knowledge these politicians possess. I think it acceptable should the majority of Congressmen doesn’t have a clue as to how many plants and animals are on the brink of extinction. It would be desirable if one was serving on the Environment and Public Works Committee. But I absolutely agree with Moore in the sense that these high ranking officials more or less determine how much of the budget will be allocated to where, to which department and how it should be spent. The 1974 case Moore mentions on library funding being changed from a Categorical grant to less restrictive Block grants is a good example. You can hardly blame the school districts who are all too eager to receive sponsorship from giant soft drink corporations.
ReplyDeleteMoore would like to see more voice, by way of active community participation, and school newspapers & webzines. I believe the only way these politicians will apportion more funding towards public education is when large number of votes are at stake. Votes are what they fear most and the only thing they will listen to. The Twenty-sixth Amendment gives voting rights to all citizens aged 18 or over. There is a reason why groups such as National Farmers Union, American Medical Association and American Association of Retires Persons wield power. They have a collective voice in mass numbers. When it becomes apparent that their political lives are at stake, they are sure to act. Citizens young or old who share a common concern for the state of American schools must let it be known, firmly. Only more funding can enable improvements to school facilities and equipment, not to mention incentives for current and future teachers.
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ReplyDeleteI agree with moores description on the schools conditions because when i went to elementary school my library was soo tiny and all the books were really old, also in highschool i remember in my earth science class my teacher would always add things to our notes that werent in the book because it was outdated. i feel like now 10 years too late their rebuiliding things and getting new books, new playgrounds, and high tech equipment, but its not in all schools only some. I also remmeber in 3rd grade i was in a combination class of 3rd and 4rth graders where the teacher would devote half his time to us, then the other half to the 4rth graders. If you think about it we didnt even go full time to school becasue we werent with our teacher half the time. AMERICA needs to step it up!
#4
ReplyDeleteIn Moore's view, politicans are mostly to be blamed for the sorry state of America's schools. Budget cuts, lack of support to teachers and schools whether it be monatary support or just general appreciation. I would agree mainly because without GOOD teachers, the future of our country and the world for that matter would be very dark. But can you blame someone that shyed away from becoming a teacher because they don't make very much money on top of being heavily critized at every turn.
Mr Moore was quite accurate on his description of American Schools. He showed how outdated these schools were and how demotivated the teachers and students are. However, i do not blame the american government for this since there are alot of factors with education. Sure, some may blame the lack of budget in schools for the poor outcomes, but the root problems may come down straight at home. The kids usually placed in public schools are those families that aren't really doing well financially. Hence, parents could be highschool drop outs or unsuccesful college students. This demotivates the children to strive in life therefore it demotivates the children in class and the teacher. This is a cycle that cannot be solely blamed by the american government.
ReplyDelete#3 I think that Moore's grim picture of our schools is accurate. I remember trying to do research papers in high school and having to wait for quite a bit of time to be able to use a book because there weren't enough to offer the rest of my fellow students working on the same paper. In junior high, there were only three computers in the library which were always taken with long lines. The library was also crammed into a small little room with few tables for students to sit. This past year my cousin's school offered a week's vacation during Thanksgiving due to budget cuts. I also remember having to share text books because there weren't enough for each student. I also remember my AP literature teacher picking our novels to read based on if there were enough copies available. (We were urged to by a lot of our novels due to this reason.)
ReplyDeleteOther issues included text books that my teachers avoided teaching out of due to the wrong, outdated, or insufficient information. In my AP classes, we had really old test practice books There were leaks in the ceiling that would take forever to get fixed. All of the teachers complained about their lack of pay. In Junior High, the teachers even went on strike. It would take some of my teachers quite some time to return papers because they would refuse to grade papers outside of class time or there free period. Due to all of these reasons, I agree with Moore's grim picture of our schools.
I agree with Moore's idea of how the goverment is at fault for our educational problems.The goverment chooses were its money goes to, however it is reducing the amount of money schools recive because of the economy problems.I feel like it makes no sense how education is getting the hardest hit when it comes to losing money. I feel like this is one of the main problems why students are not recieving an education. In my highschool we had overcrowded classrooms, not enough textbook and we had to carry our books around everyday because we didnt have any lockers to put them in. They constanly canceled school activites. I felt likestudents in my school were not motivated to succeed.
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